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[杂谈]GQ记者采访Kamil全文及翻译.精 (16/5163) |
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2019年12月2日，扫雷有幸被知名杂志GQ报道，有心的记者邮件采访了Kamil，并得到了Kamil的详细回复。下面就跟随我的渣翻译了解一下Kamil的扫雷世界。为防止翻译不妥曲解原意，将英文原文一并附上。大家有更好的翻译方式可以告诉我，我可以编辑帖子。
本文已得到Kamil本人和GQ记者授权发布。感谢毛涤尘对本文翻译提出的宝贵建议。
Hi Kamil:
Kamil你好：
I’m Wu Chengjie, the journalist from GQ magazine. Thank you so much for accepting my interview. Here’s the question list:
我是GQ杂志的记者吴呈杰，感谢你接受我的采访。下面是我的问题：
1. Experience of Minesweeper
1. 扫雷历程
Q: When did you start to play the Minesweeper? How did you contact with that? Why could you addicted to minesweeper?
Q: 请问你是从什么时候开始玩扫雷？如何接触的这个游戏，又为何会沉迷其中？
A: I started playing Minesweeper for records in 2006. I got addicted because at that time I decided to become the best in the world in something, also I’ve watched a replay of Dion Tiu’s world record for Expert (38) that I found really interesting. So it was natural Minesweeper became my choice.
A: 我从2006年开始刷扫雷纪录。我沉迷扫雷的原因是，当时我想在某方面成为世界第一，同时我看了Dion Tiu的高级38秒世界纪录的录像发现很有趣。扫雷自然而然地成了我的选择。
Q: Could you talk about your progress?When did your score advance by leaps and bounds? When did you reach the top of the world?
Q: 能谈一谈你的进步吗？你的成绩何时突飞猛进，又是在何时达到了世界巅峰？
A: I joined the world ranking on the 2007-01-12. At that time to join the rankings your Beginner+Intermediate+Expert scores sum had to be lower than 100s. Then it took me only 9 months to get my 1st world record on 2007-10-11 (Beginner NF 3BV/s of 6.135). Next year I broke time and NF time world record on Intermediate level with 9.015s on 2008-03-17. To break the most important record I had to play 1 more year - on the 2009-03-27 I solved Expert level in 35.702s, beating Dion Tiu’s former world record of 36.775s and becoming world #1. I was still improving for over a year, breaking own records. I think I reached top speed in 2010.
A: 我在2007年1月12日加入了世界排名，当时加入排名需要初级、中级、高级成绩之和低于100秒。在仅仅9个月后，2007年10月11日我就获得了我的第一个世界纪录（初级NF的3BV/s纪录，6.135）。第二年我又破了中级的时间和NF时间纪录（2008年3月17日，9.015秒）。又过了一年我才打破了最重要的纪录：2009年3月27日高级35.702秒，取代了Dion Tiu的原纪录36.775秒并成为了世界第一。我在接下来的一年多仍保持进步并打破自己的纪录；我认为在2010年达到了自己的巅峰。
Q: How long do you play the game every day as usual? When and where? Does it disturb your daily life?
Q: 你平常每天玩多久？一般在什么时间及地点？这影响了你的日常生活吗？
A: I used to play 2-3 hours daily at the beginning and later (since 2009), when I went on studies and got my own laptop - about 4-5 hours a day from Monday to Friday and up to 10 hours on weekends. It didn’t disturb my daily life – usually I didn’t go for non-mandatory lessons, so I had a lot of time almost every day. I had time for everything – Minesweeper, speedcubing, studying and partying. I didn’t play that much for 2-3 weeks before exams.
A: 最开始那会儿我每天玩2-3个小时。2009年以后我上了大学、有了自己的笔记本电脑，周一到周五每天大概玩4-5个小时，而周末肝10个小时以上。扫雷并没有影响到我的正常生活，一般我不去上那些水课，所以我基本上天天都有一大堆时间，扫雷、魔方、学习、聚会啥都不耽误。但考试前2-3周我不玩这么多。
Q: You are called “the alien” by Chinese Minesweeper enthusiasts, which means your world record is the climax of human. What’s the secret of getting the highest achievement?
Q: 中国的玩家们将你称作“外星人”，意思是说你的世界纪录达到了人类极限。你有什么秘诀吗？
A: Playing a lot and enjoying what you are doing are necessary to improve, but most important factor is talent/genetics. Also, it wouldn’t be possible to get the highest achievements without luck. For example, from the beginning I had got very good computer mouse. Now imagine I had worse mouse instead. Probably I would get discouraged and stop playing. Maybe I wouldn’t even think about that I should get better mouse, and even if I did, it was still possible that other models also weren’t good enough. It’s very difficult to find good mouse for Minesweeper.
A: 爆肝和兴趣对于提升成绩来说是必要的，但最重要的因素还是天赋。当然，这些纪录也有RP因素。举个栗子，从最开始我就有个非常棒的鼠标。你想一下：如果我一开始拿了个垃圾鼠标，那么我可能就很快弃坑了。说不定我压根儿就不会琢磨弄个好鼠标什么的，就算我去找了，也未必就能找到一个趁手的。找个适合扫雷的鼠标简直太难了。
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Q: Do you think you’re a hardworking player or a talented one?
Q: 你认为你是努力型选手还是天赋型选手？
A: Both, but working hard isn’t enough. With practise you can improve, but only to a level that your body is capable to reach. For example, about 1 year after I started playing Minesweeper, I took up another discipline – speedcubing. I’ve spent similar amount of time for cubing as I did for playing Minesweeper in years 2009-2013, with very poor results. My average time is 14.5s since 2012 and I can’t improve anymore. My body limits me greatly and I’m unable to turn fast even with the best cubes. Some people can do the same sequence of moves more than 2 times faster than me (it takes me 2-3s for OLL and 2-3s for PLL). So, in Minesweeper it is talent that lets me click fast and precisely.
A: 可能二者都有吧，但光努力可不行。不断训练是能提高的，但只能提高到你自己身体的极限。举个栗子，我玩了差不多1年扫雷以后开始玩魔方，而且2009-2013年我玩魔方和扫雷的时间差不多多，但成绩很烂。2012年我魔方的平均成绩是14.5秒，然后就进步不了了。我的身体条件太菜了，即使给我最好的魔方我也没法进步。有些人拧魔方比我快两倍（我做OLL和PLL各需要2-3秒）。所以我扫这么快当然是因为天赋啦。
Q: Are there many Minesweeper enthusiasts In Poland?What kind of people are they? How do you talk to each other?
Q: 波兰有很多扫雷玩家吗？他们是怎样的人？你跟他们联系过吗？
A: There are 58 Polish people in the ranking, but I’ve talked to only 2 of them on Messenger. One of them lives in Warsaw too and we meet sometimes. We have many common interests.
A: 排行榜里有58个波兰选手，但我只跟其中两个在MSN上联系过。有一个也住在华沙，我们见过几次面，而且有挺多的共同爱好。
Q: For a long time, your score has been far ahead of other players in the world. I'm wondering whether your love for Minesweeper has ever diminished because of it?
Q: 很长时间你的纪录都比别人快好多好多，我想知道这是否会让你的扫雷热情消退？
A: No, it’s not a problem.
A: 不，这不重要。
Q: When did quit playing Minesweeper? And why?
Q: 你什么时候退役了呢？为什么？
A: I stopped playing a lot in the middle of 2013, but for the next 2 years I played from time to time. There were a few reasons. The goal in Minesweeper is getting records, not playing itself. At some point, my records became difficult to break. At the same time, I got old and my speed has diminished. Yearly stats showed that my average time on Expert was 2s worse than in previous years. Also I could feel that I’m slower. I understood that I’ve reached my limits and probably won’t get records anymore.
A: 在2013年中我就不玩那么多了，但接下来的两年我还偶尔在扫。可能有几个原因吧，首先扫雷的目的是破纪录，而不只是扫，而我的纪录已经很难再破了。同时我逐渐老去（大雾），速度也变慢了。数据表明我的年平均高级用时已经比以前慢了2秒，我也能感觉到我确实慢了。我感觉我已经达到了自己的极限，或许破不了任何纪录了。
A: Another thing is that in 2014 I finished studies and had to go to work. Breaking world records requires a lot of time and energy. When I started working 8 hours a day for 5 days a week, I had neither time nor energy. I had to get up very early to be at work at 8:00 (travelling took me 50 minutes and I couldn’t be even 1 minute late), so I was constantly tired and sleepy, even on weekends.
A: 另一个原因是2014年我毕业了，不得不去工作。破纪录是个需要很多时间精力的事儿，而我每周工作五天、每天工作八小时，当然一点时间精力都没有。我每天得起很早很早，8点就要上班，还要花50分钟通勤，而我一分钟都不能迟到。所以我就又累又困，即使是周末也这样。
A: So, in general, life has forced me to retire.
A: 所以，生活所迫我就退役了。
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Q: What is your interests now? Are you good at it as well as Minesweeper?
Q: 现在你的兴趣是什么呢？是不是跟你玩扫雷一样强呀？
A: For a few years after I retired, I didn’ have any special interests. At the beginning of 2019 I felt I miss some kind of competition and started playing chess. Usually I play 30+15 format. My ranking is about 1850 on lichess.org. I don’t play every day and rarely more than 2-3 games.
A: 我退役之后基本没啥特别的爱好。2019年初我觉得我失去了某种竞争感，然后开始玩国际象棋，一般我用30+15的规则（译者注：单方限时30分钟，每步棋加15秒）。我在lichess.org上的排名大概是1850。我也不是每天都玩，可能每次也就玩2-3局。
Q: Are you going to return to Minesweeper?
Q: 那你会复出吗？
A: Probably not.
A: 应该不会了吧。
Q: If you are asked to share two or three stories about Minesweeper, what will be the first thing you can recall?
Q: 如果让你讲一讲关于扫雷的两三个故事，你会首先想到什么？
A: I don’t know if I can call it a „story”, but it’s definitely very strong memory. I remember getting my 1st Polish record on Intermediate with 12.34s. After that, I had permanent feeling of euphoria for 2 or 3 months. Even though it’s not really special and my later world records were much more important, this particular record made the strongest effect.
A: 我不知道这算不算“故事”，但我的确记忆犹新。我当时有个中级12.34秒，是我第一个波兰全国纪录。在那之后两三个月我都特别兴奋，即使这成绩真挺菜的。虽然我后来的世界纪录比这不知高到哪里去了，但还是这个纪录记得最清楚。
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2. Minesweeper in China
2. 关于中国的扫雷
Q: In the top 100 of the world, the number of Chinese players is in an explosion. What do you think about it?
Q: 在世界前100的玩家中，中国玩家占了一多半，你怎么看？
A: It seems Chinese players keep playing, while the rest of the world forgot about MInesweeper. I don’t what is the reason, I guess Chinese Minesweeper community does something that attracts new players – something that non-Chinese Minesweeper community couldn’t do.
A: 似乎中国人一直在扫，而其他人都把这游戏忘了。我不知道原因，可能中国的扫雷社群有一些其他社群没有的魔力吧。
Q: I heard that you have joined the qq group of Chinese Minesweeper players. Is that true? Why did you join that?And why did you quit QQ later?
Q: 我听说你曾经加过中国玩家的QQ群，是真的吗？为什么要加，又为什么不上QQ了？
A: I was invited to install QQ messenger and enter the chat, so I did a few times. It was years ago and I don’t remember details, but probably I quit because people were talking in Chinese so I didn’t understand most things.
A: 当时有人邀请我加那个QQ群，所以我就加了。已经过了好多年了我记不太清，但可能是因为看不懂中文就溜了。
Q: Have you ever been in contact with Chinese players in other occasion? What do you think about them?Please share some interesting stories.
Q: 你在其他场合跟中国玩家交流过吗？关于他们你怎么看？讲讲你的故事。
A: I talked with some players by email or Messenger, but it was 10 years ago and I don’t remember details. Probably nothing special, just say hello or tell how’s it going.
A: 我跟一些玩家通过电子邮件或MSN交流过，但都是10年前的事儿了，我记不太清。可能没啥特别的，就是打个招呼。
Q: Guo Weijia and Zhou Dan are approaching your intermediate and advanced （译者注：应该是expert） records respectively, and breaking your record is one of their goals. Do you think the possibility for them to break your record? If they can, would you return to Minesweeper?
Q: 郭蔚嘉和周丹跟你的中级高级纪录已经很接近了，而且他们很想破你的纪录。你觉得他们能做到吗？要是纪录没了，你会复出吗？
A: Even slower players have chances to break the world record if they get lucky board. When my record was 34.654s on Expert, Ian Fraser broke it with 32.95s. And he got his 1st sub40 only 1 week before. Guo Weijia and Zhou Dan are good and both are able to get sub32.
A: 其实更菜的玩家扫个好图也能破世界纪录。我的高级纪录是34.654秒的时候，Ian Fraser就扫了个32.95秒破掉了，但他当时才刚sub40一周。郭蔚嘉和周丹都有能力sub32。
A: If I lose any of my time records, I would consider returning. If my record was broken by 0.1s, probably I would try playing to see what happens (to check if I enjoy playing and if I can still play fast). But if my record was broken by 3s on fluently played extremely easy board, I’m sure I wouldn’t.
A: 如果我的任何time纪录没了，我可能会考虑复出。要是只赢了我0.1秒，我可能会玩玩试试，看看我还能不能破回来。但如果因为一张扫得不错的好图大破3秒，我就弃疗了。
Q: Have you ever come into contact with Guo Weijia or Zhou Dan? Or have you ever watched their videos ? What do you think of their style and talent?
Q: 你跟郭蔚嘉或周丹直接交流过吗？或者你看过他们的录像吗？你怎么看他们的扫雷风格和天赋？
A: I’ve never came into contact with them.
A: 我没跟他们直接交流过。
A: I have watched both players’ videos, especially Guo’s. Definitely he’s better in getting high NF 3BV/s scores than me. On the other hand, I don’t have any good NF 3BV/s scores because for 90% time I played with flags. If I spent as much time playing NF as he did, for sure I would have better scores than my current records and probably I would have chances to compete with him. I mean, he is faster NF player now than I used to be in, but if I spent 10x more time playing NF, I would probably be better than I was, so my speed could reach his speed.
A: 他们俩的录像我都看过，尤其是郭蔚嘉的。显然他更擅长扫更高的NF 3BV/s，而我的纪录就比较菜，因为我90%的时间都在扫FL。要是我跟他一样花这么多时间扫NF，我肯定会有更好的成绩，也许能跟他打一打。我的意思是，他确实是最快的NF玩家，但要是我花10倍的时间，我肯定能扫得更快，那我就能干掉他。
A: Guo Weijia’s style looks more accurate than mine. I misclick more often in situations when I have to click multiple squares next to each other.
A: 郭蔚嘉似乎比我点得更准，我点一排的时候会更经常点漏。
A: I’ve watched Zhou Dan’s replays of her Expert time and Expert 3BV/s records and I can see that sometimes she doesn’t put a flag in situations I would normally do. But on the other hand she doesn’t spam with doubleclicking where it’s not needed as I often do.
A: 我看了周丹的高级time和3BV/s纪录，感觉有些我会标雷的地方她并不标，不过她的废双击比我少一点。
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3. Minesweeper experience
3. 扫雷的感受
Q: What is the charm of minesweeper for you?
Q: 扫雷吸引你的是什么？
A: I like Minesweeper because of 3 things. The video of Minesweeper board being solved quickly and fluently is an artwork. It’s a pleasure to watch it, because it’s beautiful. The 2nd thing is that you can break records in this game and breaking a record gives you a sense of success. And lastly, you can compete with others. I love the feeling of victory.
A: 有三点吧。首先，扫雷是一门艺术，扫得快的录像很美，看起来很爽。其次，这个游戏会有种破纪录的成就感。另外你还可以跟别人比，我喜欢胜利的感觉。
Q: Does Minesweeper provide you with something that real life can’t provide?
Q: 扫雷给了你什么现实生活给不了的东西吗？
A: Minesweeper let me know how it feels to be the best in the world in something. Real life can’t provide this.
A: 扫雷让我知道了成为世界第一的感觉，而现实生活中是不可能的。
Q: Do you think people who like to play Minesweeper have something in common?
Q: 你觉得扫雷玩家有什么共同点吗？
A: Yes, most of Minesweeper players work in IT industry.
A: 那当然，大部分玩家都在IT行业工作。
Q: Somebody has put it that Minesweeper is a lonely game which you have to fight alone most of the time. Do you agree with it?
Q: 有些人觉得扫雷是个孤独的游戏，因为一直在孤军奋战。你认同吗？
A: Yes, usually you play it alone at home. It’s not a team game, so you also fight alone. You can compare scores or talk about Minesweeper with others, but you fight alone.
A: 嗯，毕竟一般就是自己一个人在家里玩。扫雷不是个团队游戏，所以当然是孤军奋战。尽管你能跟其他玩家比成绩、聊天，但终究还是一个人在奋斗。
Q: Do your family and friends know how well you play Minesweeper? What is their attitude towards this?
Q: 你的家人和朋友知道你扫雷厉害吗？他们是怎么看这件事的？
A: Sure they know. Usually they don’t care, rarely respect or despise.
A: 他们当然知道，一般他们也并不关心，既不膜也不鄙视。
Q: Around the world, there seem to be fewer and fewer people playing Minesweeper. Would you worry about the prospect of Minesweeper?
Q: 世界上扫雷的人好像越来越少了，你担心这个游戏的前途吗？
A: I used to worry that Minesweeper will be forgotten, but this fact has already happened and nothing has really changed – I didn’t have any benefits when I was playing and when Minesweeper was popular, so I lost nothing when I and others stopped playing.
A: 我以前担心这个游戏会被忘掉，但事实上已经是这样了，当然也没什么大不了的——因为这游戏火的时候也没人给我钱，所以没人玩了也不要紧。
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4. Life experience
4. 人生经历
Q: What kind of person do you think you are?
Q: 你觉得你是个什么样的人？
A: Legendary.
A: 传奇。
Q: What major did you study in college?
Q: 你大学里是什么专业的？
A: Construction (civil engineering) – I’ve finished 5-year studies, but never worked in construction industry.
A: 土木工程——我读了5年以后毕业了，但并没有从事本专业的工作。
A: Databases and their applications – I’ve finished 1-year post-graduate studies.
A: 数据库及其应用——我读了为期一年的研究生。
Q: What's your job? Do you like your job?
Q: 你的工作是什么？你喜欢吗？
A: Officially I’m a software tester, but I also program easier stuff in C# and Angular. My plan is to focus only on programming within half a year. In general I like my job - I don’t like testing, but while testing I can see changes in commit log, so next time I can repair similar bugs myself.
A: 我是一个软件测试员，当然我也用C#和Angular写一点简单的程序。我想在接下来的半年里专心编程。我还挺喜欢我的工作的，虽然我不喜欢测试，但测试的时候我可以看到代码提交日志，下次我就能自行debug了。
Q: Describe your daily life nowadays.
Q: 描述一下你一天中的日常。
A: I set my 1st alarm clock to 9 a.m. and 2nd one to 9:15. I live 5 mins by foot from my workplace. I’m at work at 10:00. I’m back home after 18:00 and rest.
A: 我的第一个闹钟是上午9点的，第二个是9:15。我10点上班，步行上班只需要五分钟。18点之后我回家休息。
Q: Do you have the feeling that when you enter the work force, you are not having time to play Minesweeper or other games?
Q: 你有没有觉得你工作以后就没时间玩扫雷或其他游戏了？
A: I don’t need to spend as much time playing games that I used to, so even though I have less free time, it’s not a big problem.
A: 我现在也不需要花那么长时间玩游戏了，所以即使我没空了也没啥。
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A: Playing a lot and enjoying what you are doing are necessary to improve, but most important factor is talent/genetics. Also, it wouldn’t be possible to get the highest achievements without luck. For example, from the beginning I had got very good computer mouse. Now imagine I had worse mouse instead. Probably I would get discouraged and stop playing. Maybe I wouldn’t even think about that I should get better mouse, and even if I did, it was still possible that other models also weren’t good enough. It’s very difficult to find good mouse for Minesweeper.
A: 爆肝和兴趣对于提升成绩来说是必要的，但最重要的因素还是天赋。当然，这些纪录也有RP因素。举个栗子，从最开始我就有个非常棒的鼠标，否则就没有然后了。你想一下：如果我一开始拿了个垃圾鼠标，那么我可能就很快弃坑了。说不定我压根儿就不会琢磨弄个好鼠标什么的，就算我去找了，也未必就能找到一个趁手的。找个适合扫雷的鼠标简直太难了。
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A: Officially I’m a software tester, but I also program easier stuff in C# and Angular. My plan is to focus only on programming within half a year. In general I like my job - I don’t like testing, but while testing I can see changes in commit log, so next time I can repair similar bugs myself.
A: 我是一个软件测试员，当然我也用C#和Angular写一点简单的程序。我想在接下来的半年里专心编程。我还挺喜欢我的工作的，虽然我不喜欢测试，但测试的时候我可以看到代码提交日志，下次我就能自行debug了。
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